Generals
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Tournament set for Tuesday, December 29th Last year each team wrestled Four Duals.
2008-09
J Glenn #4 NYS MacArthur #10 NYS
Brentwood #13 NYS Islip #31 NYS
Garden City Monsignor Farrell #32 NYS
Sayville Farmingdale
Were Looking for Long Islands Top Suffolk and Nassau teams We will consider outside compitition if needed. The wrestling and atmosphere is great for all involved. 4 mats each hosting great wrestling. 9:00 start over by 5:30
P.S. Great State and County seeding opportunities! Talk to your Coaches, Nassau scheduling meeting Wednesday, May 20th
Call Joe Patch or E Mail hgreenblatt@levittown.k12.ny.us |
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neversaydie
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well the best 4 teams should go from Suffolk----
that would be
1) John Glenn
2)Longwood
3) Hauppauge
4) Rocky Point/Huntington/Brentwood
Call the teams out, because any other way seems like nobody wants to do anything no more. I know it's not your style but it's mine. For Suffolk to be well represented these are the teams that should go.
If it truly is a L.I Championship then the top 4 from each county should go, unless they are scared to put up. A lot of people always say they can win, well go prove it, top 4 from each County----then let the games begin.
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neversaydie
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could see matches like
Wantagh vs John Glenn
McArthur Vs Longwood
Massaupuqa vs Rocky Point
Uniondale vs Hauppauge
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josh
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unfortunately, Massapequa holds their tournament at the same time and Hauppauge, Wantagh, Connetqout have been going to this tournament for along time. Unless someone changes their date, you'll always be missing a few of the better teams. |
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neversaydie
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Josh,
I understand what your saying. Mass had their tournament on the 27th and The L.I Challenge was on the 30th.
The point is if the top 4 ranked teams from each section go, that blows away a mass tournament don't you think?
What would you rather have a Mass throphy or the Title the BEST TEAM ON L.I.?
The top 4 teams next year from suffolk should attend, regardless of anything else.
TOP 4 Suffolk team next year are:
1) John Glenn
2) Longwood
3) Hauppauge
4) Rocky Point
those are the top teams in suffolk next year. Those are the teams that should be going to the L.I Challenge. Any other team's that go from Suffolk are not the best Suffolk has to offer, it's time for team's to put up or shut up. Why travel miles away when you can have the best of the best? Come on guys step up....
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Jacked
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While I agree with you about having the best wrestle the best the landscape has changed with the seeding system. You must travel and wrestle teams from upstate. The weaker teams wrestled section 10 ( I think that was the section ) numerous times and picked up quality points. I know you will have people come on here and say if you are going to win, wrestle the best kids anyway. What would you rather have a State Championship or best on Long Island ?? Seeding counts and I am not talking about for section 8 or 11. Some of the teams see each other more than once. I don't want to see the same kids wrestle each other 3 or 4 times. Huntington would not wrestle in this tournament. I also understand that the powers that be changed the system after the states to prevent teams from scoring vs weaker teams. Not sure exactly what they did.
If I am wrong, please explain.
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neversaydie
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bottom line some teams go upstate and wrestle the same people up their 3 -4 times.
it seems L.I went from being very competive to everyone ducking everyone.
It's simple it's slated L.I championship and the top 4 from Suffolk should go.
Huntington is clear on both front's, they won't wrestle and are not the top 4 teams.
Why wrestle in the MASS tourney when you can wrestle for the best of the best...Top 4 suffolk teams vs Top 4 Nassau teams. That way first round Nassau vs Suffolk ..then go from their....
The only reason is, that people do not want to put their team to the test.
LIWA this site for the most part had the team Rankings right from the start, Newsday's was a joke, so if a team doesn't wrestle they can say oh we could beat them, bottom line is, put up or shut up....everyone worries about winning and seeding, well if you don't lose you have nothing to worry about now do you?
Again....Team Champions of a real L.I championship with the top 4 from each section or A hoilday tournament? It's not even a discussion..You have to be in it to win it, and what I see is a lot of ducking going on....
Time for people to step up.....scared money makes no money....
Serious if the top 4 teams did decide to go then your talking major wrestling, your talking late 80's early 90's when people wanted a challenge....It's easy to say well we went to a hoilday tournament and had 3-4 champs...but winning the DUAL MEET TITLE for a TRUE L.I Championships that would be special...
I was the first to rag on Newsday for not taking wrestling serious but how could they? It's turned into duck city.....
it's just my opinion people will agree and disagree but it's all good. With the name L.I Championship shouldn't it be the L.I Championships?
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neversaydie,
While I feel most on here would agree get the tough competition when you can. And a LI title would be great....... leaving the Massapequa tournament would be a huge mistake to some teams.
My reasons are that for one: you dont want to leave a tournament you have committed yourself to for many many years to leave for a year while you are on top and risk possibly losing that opportunity down the road. And while that might sound like a cheap reason to not leave the tournament, remember its not like you're leaving a bs tournament. Hauppauge,Wantagh,Connetquot, Monroe-Woodbury, Massapequa and Long Beach, not to mention other teams scattered here and there. This is a pretty strong tournament. Which may I add has been around for quite some time. Answer could be possibly moving the LI tournament to a date more fitting to these teams.
Also remember running a tournament is a tough job and moving it would only add to the headache. A true top 4 from each county might just be too difficult to achieve. Would be great in a perfect world but somethings just might not always work.
But I do agree with you it would be awesome to see a true top 4 from each county. I would pay to see that
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You're both correct. Everyone would love to see it but whether or not it's feasible is the question.
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neversaydie
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true but it still would be nice if it did happen, now wouldn't it.
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Does anyone have any team confirmations for the 2009 L.I. Challenge?
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Long Island Challenge at MacArthur
December 29, 2009
Teams:
MacArthur
Riverhead
Islip
Brentwood
Sachem East
Garden City
Farmingdale
Sayville
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Unfortunately without Glenn, Longwood , Hauppauge or RP from Suffolk and no Wantagh or , LB or Mass. from Nassau the LI Challenge is just an ordinary tournament this year . |
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MartyR
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The OBJECT of this Sport is to get your kids ready for the BEST competition they will face...and that means finding the BEST competition you can by means of multiple matches preferably with the BEST individuals.
I think the BEST Tournaments for this is NOT Dual Tournies. Dual Tournies are not indicative of anything more sometimes than Coaches juggling line-ups. I personally think that all three Suffolk Teams (JG-LONG.-HAUP) should have thought "outside of the box"...as in PA or NJ. They are too deep for the rest of both Counties.
After seeing the entries for the LI Challenge...it actually is a competitive group that will benefit each and every team- and every kid in it.
From a selfish stance...I would have loved to see the Suffolk 3 entered out of State. I also know that sometimes wrestling away from home doesnt always work out with seeding and with officials. Plus, there are other point issues that Coaches must deal with.
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highlander
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Word has it that Wantagh is heading to the Virginia Duals this year...in the National Division...teams like Eastern Regional (NJ), South Plainfield (NJ), Phillipsburg (NJ), St Marks (DE), Nazareth (PA), Christiansburg (VA)...etc. Win or lose that is tremendous competition.
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MartyR
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While I respect Coach Murphy's resolve to seek out competition....this is NOT the year or the Team to go down there with. Last year and even the year before was more capable.
Now, Teams like John Glenn and Longwood could be strong representatives of NYS (LI)Wrestling.
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Quote: Originally Posted by MartyR
While I respect Coach Murphy's resolve to seek out competition....this is NOT the year or the Team to go down there with. Last year and even the year before was more capable.
Now, Teams like John Glenn and Longwood could be strong representatives of NYS (LI)Wrestling.
Marty,
Do not sell teams like Hauppauge or Rocky Point short.
They could be the Top 4 teams in the state.
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MartyR
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I hear you Ketch and Im not.
I just think when the LEVEL gets this good - Team wise. Maybe, it would be nice to go out and find some PA/NJ Teams to "wreck".
This is one reason why I sit in the bleachers...LOL.
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neversaydie
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The biggest reason teams will not go to places like N.J and PA no more is simple.
With the wildcard system in place teams will be more apt to stay in NY to get quality points instead of going to places that there wrestlers are rewarded.
Yes by going to places like PA and NJ your seeking out the best competition but in the end you may need those points in order to get your wrestlers to the states.
It's just a very very tough sell in the wildcard day's!
It may look good and you might impress people by going to N.J and PA but in the end you have to do whats good for your entire team, not the public and today it's about getting quality point's. One kid on your team beating a PA or NJ state champion is not going to get him points, nor is it doing your entire any good, so I understand why teams shy away from it, it's not that they do not want to go, they are looking at the big picture and that's getting as many of there wrestlers to the NYS State tournament.
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MartyR
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TRUST ME ...on this.
I am well aware of the "rules" in place about "individual quality points" and the amount of points allowed yet, I am also aware that NYS Wrestling needs either a change in thinking concerning "participation" out of State.
Eventually. the demand for Scholarships may stop at New Jersey and NYS wrestlers may and will get slighted because they do not or can not travel to some of these high profile Tournies. Actually, this is why so many stress going to Fargo- to be seen. I personally think it is the wrong time and wrong style to get Long Island's full efforts but, I am starting to really question this.
It is time - for many Wrestling minds to start thinking outside of the box- Teams like this year's John Glenn Team are far a few- sometimes going more than a decade before you see the likes of a FULL 14/15 member line-up that is "solid"..Same goes for Longwood and Hauppauge.
Wrestling is growing in States where it was never even considered a Sport. Each year D-1 Scholarships will be more competitive- So, the need to travel is now. It may be more impresseive to knock off Nationally ranked wrestlers than it will be to be NYS placed...ok, maybe not yet but, in time the need to get our wrestlers out there and exposed to the rest of the Country will be a necessity
Today. our best wrestlers are still getting acknowledged but, tomorrow may be different. When the Old School Coaches are all gone....well, then that time will be too late.
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SuffCoFan
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Marty ,unfortunatley the same can be said for many other sports on L.I. |
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